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Social Skills

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	Ah, one of the hearts of Rogue Trader, and reasons I wanted to use Edge of the Empire, then Genesys for Rogue Trader. This section is kept almost entirely the same.		Ah, one of the hearts of Rogue Trader, and reasons I wanted to use Edge of the Empire, then Genesys for Rogue Trader. This section is kept almost entirely the same.

	'''Negotiation'': Akin but opposite of Streetwise above, negotiation wasn't so much of a modification as a limitation. I wanted Negotiation to be focused on personal exchanges rather than big institutional buying and selling. See Commerce above for the remainder.		'''Negotiation''': Akin but opposite of Streetwise above, negotiation wasn't so much of a modification as a limitation. I wanted Negotiation to be focused on personal exchanges rather than big institutional buying and selling. See Commerce above for the remainder.

	====Knowledge====		====Knowledge====

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General Skills

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	*'''Survival''': see Navigate		*'''Survival''': see Navigate
	*'''Streetwise''': I don't see this skill so much modified as it was clarified for use in the society heavy, mostly-above-board nature of Rogue Trader. It still, ultimately, comes down to knowing where to look for things in a city, and how to a lot of people a lot of questions to get information.		*'''Streetwise''': I don't see this skill so much modified as it was clarified for use in the society heavy, mostly-above-board nature of Rogue Trader. It still, ultimately, comes down to knowing where to look for things in a city, and how to a lot of people a lot of questions to get information.
			*'''Mechanics''': Not a change from Genesys, but it is from Dark Heresy Genesys (and original Rogue Trader). Done in part because many of the lay-techs on voidships (and most PCs) would know how to use some of the advanced technology, but wouldn't know (or dare) try and fix, build or modify it. Mostly, however, it was done to make Tech-Priests more specialized (by absorbing more of their XP) due to the comonality of using these skills.

	====Combat Skills====		====Combat Skills====

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	==Development ~~Thoughts==~~		==Development Notes: Skills==
	~~===~~Skills===		====General Skills====
	====~~Active~~ Skills====		The changes made in this section can broadly be split into two categories, those made to reflect the feel of the 41st millennium, and those made to reflect the particular scope and nature of Rogue Trader games. I was also typically following the idea of ensuring that most, if not all, of the typical types of character's skills, would fall into two different attributes.
	~~Tried~~ to ~~make as few adjustments here as I could~~, and ~~make sure I captured both~~ the ~~sprit~~ of Rogue Trader, ~~and~~ the skills ~~that~~ would ~~be needed to be rolled~~.
	*'''Use Technology''': This was the first skill change I decided on. It directly replaced ''Computer'', and serves basically the same function. In name change was to keep the feel of technology being arcane, and to open it up to operation of complex, but not computer controlled, technological items.		*'''Use Technology''': This was the first skill change I decided on. It directly replaced ''Computer'', and serves basically the same function. In name change was to keep the feel of technology being arcane, and to open it up to the operation of complex, but not computer controlled technological items.
	*'''Commerce''': This is an entirely new skill. Rogue Traders have to deal with finances and markets on a scale well beyond what ~~EotE characters~~ ever think about. Commercial transactions are also a large part of Rogue Trader, and I didn’t want to overload the Negotiation skill. Splitting off also let me give it a new associated Attribute (intelligence) making the Merchant Prince dependent on multiple stats.		*'''Commerce''': This is an entirely new skill. Rogue Traders have to deal with finances and markets on a scale well beyond what most games would ever think about. Commercial transactions are also a large part of Rogue Trader, and I didn’t want to overload the Negotiation skill. Splitting off also let me give it a new associated Attribute (intelligence) making the Merchant Prince style character dependent on multiple stats.
	*'''Medicae''': 40k renaming of Medicine.		*'''Medicae''': 40k renaming of Medicine.
	*'''Drive''': Ground Vehicles like tanks and walkers play a larger roll in 40k then they do in Star Wars, so the Pilot – Planetary skill was adjusted to exclude flyers, which are quite different anyway.		*'''Helm''': In order to keep Pilot from becoming overloaded, and because of how differently they really operate, I wanted to split off the operation of the full sized warp ships from small flyers and lighters. This, once again, also let me associate it with a different Attribute (Cunning) which was both logical, and made the omni-pilot use two attributes.
	*'''Pilot''': Basically the old Pilot – Space, but with the similar aircraft added. Total importance of this skill is somewhat diminished by not including Void Ships		*'''Navigate''': For the most part, this is just a rebranding of Astrocartography, but I also wanted to roll small scale and land navigation to give this skill some relevance to both non-Navis, and for the rather significant periods of time characters are at a single steller location. Also helped lighten the load on Survival.
	*'''Helm''': In order to keep Pilot from becoming ~~an uber-skill~~, and because of how differently they really operate, I wanted to split off the operation of the full sized warp ships from small flyers and lighters		*'''Skullduggery/Stealth/Coordination''': This change, more than any, really was done primarily because of the shifted focus of Rogue Trader games vs. smaller scale games like Dark Heresy. The skill list was already starting to bloat from the addition of new skills like Commerce and Helm, and at the same time, the Exploration, Mostly-legal & Macro-scale themes of Rogue Trader diminishes Skulduggery's value. Ultimately, it was easy to distribute its functions to other skills. The portion based on not being noticed moved to Stealth, fine motor skills moved to Coordination, and bypassing security moved to Mechanics or Use Technology depending on methodology.
	*'''~~Ranged (Personal)~~''': ~~Although~~ I ~~have~~ some ~~concerns with combining Range – Light~~ and ~~half~~ of ~~Ranged – Heavy into~~ the same ~~skill~~, I ~~feel like~~ it ~~better represents~~ the nature of ~~40k~~, where ~~pistols can easily be as~~ or ~~stronger then rifles~~ and use ~~is as~~ much a ~~personal~~ choice as a ~~tactical consideration~~. I ~~also~~ considered ~~splitting this between (Basic)~~ and ~~(Special) on~~ the ~~normal 40k lines~~.		*'''Survival''': see Navigate
	*'''Ranged ~~(Heavy)~~''': ~~The idea behind this is~~ to ~~make~~ the ~~operation~~ of ~~heavy~~ weaponry and ~~turrets~~ a different skill~~, in part to balance out their typically superior statistics~~. It also helps distinguish vehicle crews from the infantry.		*'''Streetwise''': I don't see this skill so much modified as it was clarified for use in the society heavy, mostly-above-board nature of Rogue Trader. It still, ultimately, comes down to knowing where to look for things in a city, and how to a lot of people a lot of questions to get information.
	*'''Gunnery''': I wanted to ~~change~~ the ~~associated attribute to make agility~~ a ~~less ultimate combat aid~~. I ~~also~~ wanted to ~~split the ability to use the batteries~~ on ~~Void Ships from swinging an autocannon around~~. ~~Rolling in crew artillery seemed logical~~.
			====Combat Skills====
			The changes to this section are entirely based on the different scale and focus of Rogue Trader over even other 40k games like Dark Heresy or Only War. Personal combat, while definitely present and common, is not really the focus of most Rogue Trader games or characters. Furthermore, the vast resources of Rogue Traders mean they routinely use the kinds of much more powerful weapons that would only be special scenario-case situations for others.

			*'''Melee''': Combining all of Melee together was a relatively easy choice, in part because exotic nature of most melee weapons a Rogue Trader would use. I considered a heavy/light weapon split, but defining that would have added difficulty, and part of the idea was to de-emphasize combat skills. Rolling in Brawl was also logical, given how unlikely it is for a Rogue Trader character to ever actually be unarmed.
			*'''Ranged''': This one was a harder decision then Melee, but ultimately came down to the same logic as Melee above. In particular, the fact that so many Imperial pistols are just shorter-ranged versions of the longarm helps. Splitting off the heaviest of weaponry also make this combined version more palatable.
			*'''Emplaced''': I needed some kind of reasonable, defined cutoff between weapons governed by "Ranged" and those governed by the next skill up. After trying a few different options, I settled on how the weapon is moved as the main skill definer. Beside being logical and making a nice use for ''Suspensors'' and ''Mounts'' attachments, it also helps distinguish vehicle crews from the infantry. Being skilled with a battle cannon no longer makes one a rifle marksman.
			*'''Gunnery''': This skill started with Voidship cannons, where it made little sense for one's personal agility to influence the accuracy of a weapon battery fired by a thousand crewmen. Further consideration made the addition of Artillery and other system-fire / bombardment to this skill a good way to both fill it out and provide a logical cutoff for the ''Emplaced'' skill.

			====Social Skills====
			Ah, one of the hearts of Rogue Trader, and reasons I wanted to use Edge of the Empire, then Genesys for Rogue Trader. This section is kept almost entirely the same.

			'''Negotiation'': Akin but opposite of Streetwise above, negotiation wasn't so much of a modification as a limitation. I wanted Negotiation to be focused on personal exchanges rather than big institutional buying and selling. See Commerce above for the remainder.

	====Knowledge====		====Knowledge====
	This was always going to be a big section to ~~change~~. The nature and control of knowledge is very different ~~then~~ in ~~Star Wars~~, ~~not~~ to ~~mention~~ the ~~subjects~~ of ~~interest~~. I ~~knew~~ the ~~first thing I’d~~ have ~~to do was split knowledge between regular~~ and ~~forbidden ones~~.		This was always going to be a big section to modify and build. The nature and control of knowledge are very different in 40k than in most space-opera setting (or most setting in general). The first step, clearly, was to split the section between Forbidden Lore and Regular Knowledge.

			In theory, it would have been easy to bring all the knowledge over from Rogue Trader, but that would have been an excessive number of skills for Genesys. I needed to pare it down. So I started with the Forbidden ones. Technology, Xenology, and Warp were obvious ones. It was also easy to roll Demons and Psychers into Warp – they’re all related after all. I wrestled for a while with the rest of them, trying to figure out how to combine them before I realized they were all, essentially, secrets about the Imperium itself. Also, Once I realize I could have both a Forbidden and non-Forbidden version of the same Knowledge, the just calling the catagory "Imperium" became obvious.

	~~It was easy to bring all~~ the ~~knowledge over from Rogue Trader~~, ~~but~~ I ~~knew that would be excessive~~ for the ~~level of~~ skill list ~~in EotE~~. ~~I needed~~ to ~~pare it down~~. So I ~~started with~~ the ~~Forbidden ones. Technology~~, ~~Xenology and Warp were obvious ones. It was also easy to roll Demons and Psychers into Warp – they’re all related after all.~~ I ~~wrestled~~ for ~~a while with~~ the ~~rest~~ of ~~them~~, ~~trying~~ to ~~figure out how to combine them before I realized they were all~~, ~~essentially, secrets about~~ the ~~Imperium itself~~. ~~Once~~ I ~~realize I could have both a Forbidden and non~~-~~Forbidden version~~ of the ~~same Knowledge~~, ~~the category became obvious~~.		With the Forbidden Lores set, I started on the Knowledge. With four Knowledge-like Forbidden Lore skills already established (compared to EotE’s six total, or Dark Heresy Conversion's three) there wasn't room for much more without bloating the skill list inappropriately. Knowledge Imperium was an unavoidable choice as the most basic of knowledge, and Knowledge Education seemed like a good skill to separate the scholastically educated from the bulk of socity. For a little while I considered leaving the skills at that, then realized I should add a couple of more focused skills for the major themes of the game. I considered adding ‘Technology’, but realized that too little was known by the common population to make a worthwhile skill, plus it only existing as Forbidden helps reinforce that part of the setting. Instead, I added Astromancy for the extensive space-based nature of the game, and Warfare because there is only war. Though honestly, these last to still might end up getting dropped later.

	With Forbidden Knowledge settled, I started on the others. Realizing I already had four skills (compared to EotE’s six total) I knew I needed to make these tight. Knowledge Imperium & Knowledge Education were obvious choices, covering the vast general topics a citizen of the Imperium should be aware of. For a little while I considered leaving the skills at that, then realized I should add a couple of more focused skills for the major themes of the game. I considered adding ‘Technology’, but realized that two little was known by the common population to make a worthwhile skill, plus it’s absence helps reinforce that part of the setting. Instead, I added Astromancy for the extensive space-based nature of the game, and Warfare because there is only war.		==Develpment Notes: Talents==
	===Talents===
	This section was surpassingly easy. For one, it only took 22 changes total. These changes generally fell into one of three categories:		This section was surpassingly easy. For one, it only took 22 changes total. These changes generally fell into one of three categories:
	*Renaming medical or mechanical talents in order to make them sound less "Star Wars" and more "Mechanicum"		*Renaming medical or mechanical talents in order to make them sound less "Star Wars" and more "Mechanicum"

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	*Renaming medical or mechanical talents in order to make them sound less "Star Wars" and more "Mechanicum"		*Renaming medical or mechanical talents in order to make them sound less "Star Wars" and more "Mechanicum"
	*Clarifying pilot talents to refer to aerospace craft, piloting, driving and similar.		*Clarifying pilot talents to refer to aerospace craft, piloting, driving and similar.
	*Removing the purely computer related talents.		*Removing the purely computer related talents. I considered keeping these, but they don't fit the atmosphere of 40k.

	==Other Talk==		==Other Talk==

Quicksilver: /* Talents */

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Talents

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	With Forbidden Knowledge settled, I started on the others. Realizing I already had four skills (compared to EotE’s six total) I knew I needed to make these tight. Knowledge Imperium & Knowledge Education were obvious choices, covering the vast general topics a citizen of the Imperium should be aware of. For a little while I considered leaving the skills at that, then realized I should add a couple of more focused skills for the major themes of the game. I considered adding ‘Technology’, but realized that two little was known by the common population to make a worthwhile skill, plus it’s absence helps reinforce that part of the setting. Instead, I added Astromancy for the extensive space-based nature of the game, and Warfare because there is only war.		With Forbidden Knowledge settled, I started on the others. Realizing I already had four skills (compared to EotE’s six total) I knew I needed to make these tight. Knowledge Imperium & Knowledge Education were obvious choices, covering the vast general topics a citizen of the Imperium should be aware of. For a little while I considered leaving the skills at that, then realized I should add a couple of more focused skills for the major themes of the game. I considered adding ‘Technology’, but realized that two little was known by the common population to make a worthwhile skill, plus it’s absence helps reinforce that part of the setting. Instead, I added Astromancy for the extensive space-based nature of the game, and Warfare because there is only war.
	===Talents===		===Talents===
			This section was surpassingly easy. For one, it only took 22 changes total. These changes generally fell into one of three categories:
			*Renaming medical or mechanical talents in order to make them sound less "Star Wars" and more "Mechanicum"
			*Clarifying pilot talents to refer to aerospace craft, piloting, driving and similar.
			*Removing the purely computer related talents.

	==Other Talk==		==Other Talk==

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==Development Thoughts==
===Skills===
====Active Skills====
Tried to make as few adjustments here as I could, and make sure I captured both the sprit of Rogue Trader, and the skills that would be needed to be rolled.
*'''Use Technology''': This was the first skill change I decided on. It directly replaced ''Computer'', and serves basically the same function. In name change was to keep the feel of technology being arcane, and to open it up to operation of complex, but not computer controlled, technological items.
*'''Commerce''': This is an entirely new skill. Rogue Traders have to deal with finances and markets on a scale well beyond what EotE characters ever think about. Commercial transactions are also a large part of Rogue Trader, and I didn’t want to overload the Negotiation skill. Splitting off also let me give it a new associated Attribute (intelligence) making the Merchant Prince dependent on multiple stats.
*'''Medicae''': 40k renaming of Medicine.
*'''Drive''': Ground Vehicles like tanks and walkers play a larger roll in 40k then they do in Star Wars, so the Pilot – Planetary skill was adjusted to exclude flyers, which are quite different anyway.
*'''Pilot''': Basically the old Pilot – Space, but with the similar aircraft added. Total importance of this skill is somewhat diminished by not including Void Ships
*'''Helm''': In order to keep Pilot from becoming an uber-skill, and because of how differently they really operate, I wanted to split off the operation of the full sized warp ships from small flyers and lighters
*'''Ranged (Personal)''': Although I have some concerns with combining Range – Light and half of Ranged – Heavy into the same skill, I feel like it better represents the nature of 40k, where pistols can easily be as or stronger then rifles and use is as much a personal choice as a tactical consideration. I also considered splitting this between (Basic) and (Special) on the normal 40k lines.
*'''Ranged (Heavy)''': The idea behind this is to make the operation of heavy weaponry and turrets a different skill, in part to balance out their typically superior statistics. It also helps distinguish vehicle crews from the infantry.
*'''Gunnery''': I wanted to change the associated attribute to make agility a less ultimate combat aid. I also wanted to split the ability to use the batteries on Void Ships from swinging an autocannon around. Rolling in crew artillery seemed logical.
====Knowledge====
This was always going to be a big section to change. The nature and control of knowledge is very different then in Star Wars, not to mention the subjects of interest. I knew the first thing I’d have to do was split knowledge between regular and forbidden ones.

It was easy to bring all the knowledge over from Rogue Trader, but I knew that would be excessive for the level of skill list in EotE. I needed to pare it down. So I started with the Forbidden ones. Technology, Xenology and Warp were obvious ones. It was also easy to roll Demons and Psychers into Warp – they’re all related after all. I wrestled for a while with the rest of them, trying to figure out how to combine them before I realized they were all, essentially, secrets about the Imperium itself. Once I realize I could have both a Forbidden and non-Forbidden version of the same Knowledge, the category became obvious.

With Forbidden Knowledge settled, I started on the others. Realizing I already had four skills (compared to EotE’s six total) I knew I needed to make these tight. Knowledge Imperium & Knowledge Education were obvious choices, covering the vast general topics a citizen of the Imperium should be aware of. For a little while I considered leaving the skills at that, then realized I should add a couple of more focused skills for the major themes of the game. I considered adding ‘Technology’, but realized that two little was known by the common population to make a worthwhile skill, plus it’s absence helps reinforce that part of the setting. Instead, I added Astromancy for the extensive space-based nature of the game, and Warfare because there is only war.
===Talents===

==Other Talk==