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Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby Renimar » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:54 am


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Re: Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby Sixtus_quinn » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:41 am

In the mention of the Primarchs, only 18 were discovered. Nothing is known of the other two, only that the Big E was sorrowful about them whenever they were mentioned, and that the Primarchs did not talk about them, even amongst each other for it caused their father pain.

If it's old enough, the Warrant could say "It is the bearer's right and responsibility to claim whatever worlds, resources, or privileges may be obtained in any manner the bearer sees fit and above all else to ever seek for signs or news of the scattered Primarchs of the Legiones Astartes and to bring such tidings with all haste directly to Me or Malcador the Sigilite."

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Re: Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby Quicksilver » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:28 am

That’s a very interesting and curious discussion. In a quick search I stumbled across this resource, . Although I cannot easily find anything, looking back father, to Roman or Byzantene decrees may also provide some ideas for language or logical clauses.

It is interesting to note that the Drake Warrant of Trade was presented for “exceptional service” and would have been drafted relatively swiftly. (This ties in to history your characters are not yet aware.) Also, as some of those in the threads have noted, during the Crusade Era Rogue Traders were often called upon as theater commanders, seconding Imperial Army, Navy and even Astartes forces under their command, or even permanently assigned to them.

It is also possible that the family’s relationship with the Mechanicum goes back this far. At this time, the Mechanicum was still quite separate from the Imperium – the Treaty of Mars which the Emperor signed included a statement recognizing the sovereignty of existing Forge Worlds, and so may have included a clause about reqesting of them in my name, reporting them to Mars or returning discovered artifacts to them.

It may also actually include a mention of the Aurea Albion in its wording, as the ship was also granted as a gift as part of declaring Arthurus Leahas Isordan Drake of Terra a Rogue Trader. Also, that which has not been covered, an official heraldry would have been provided at the time as well.


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Re: Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby Tierce » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:34 pm

Looking through the forum links, the main themes that arise are: signatories or witnesses to the Emperor's signing who also lent their names to the document, obligatory purposes as an agent of the Emperor, allowances as an agent of the Emperor, and anachronisms befitting the age of the document (being in the Emperor's own voice, high language, including references to things that don't pertain or exist anymore, current warfare or social prerogatives, etc).

The anachronisms are fluff that make the warrant stand out as ancient, but they could be directly pertinent to the purpose depending on the circumstances in which the warrant was issued and the nature of the trader it was issued to. Raleigh's charter reflects a great free license that one would expect due to a Rogue Trader, but other explorers may have provisions or limits (like the aforementioned reporting to Mars, or the Administratum). Those show a strong tether of oversight, which is a lot more than assigning counsel, as Elizabeth does for Raleigh. That such oversight was needed is telling towards the trust or faith in the recipient!

The Raleigh charter reflects not just his legal ability to act for Elizabeth, but turns him into a protected body, that if injury is done unto him or his heirs, Elizabeth and her heirs will respond to make restitution with "the full Fortes of our realm of England." Raleigh's charter shows not just trust in an individual, or grants of allowances to his heirs, but perpetual relationship as an extension of the monarch, whoever she or he may be. This is a legally binding and honored document. There is no clause for voiding or ending the charter. Consider it from this perspective: Raleigh has a ton of descendants. Those of whom could call themselves heirs could, in theory, call upon the aid of the current Elizabeth (who looks fit to live forever) if they started colonizing Mars and got into an "international incident" like a fist fight with a cosmonaut. It starts out vague to allow for the unknown, then talks about more relevant specifics, like what to do in Newfoundland. A RT charter should be similar. That also means it has interesting potential ramifications if it was left so open; rather than the anachronism of being able to call on the Lunar Wolves, the dictate that "I shall render assistance to fit the need" could be both exciting and dangerous!

Meanwhile, I actually dug through some Drake documents (as in Sir Francis). Unlike Raleigh, Drake was given his initial orders secretly so there was no charter or warrant. In addition, Elizabeth lost Drake's journal on his circumnavigation of the world. The details were kept as state secrets for some time, and scholars were kept in the dark (including Drake's corespondent the cartographer Mercator). Drake was bidden to keep silent lest others discover he had been in Phillip of Spain's territory - Elizabeth put the kibosh on any discussion to keep that one fact out. A charter or warrant could skirt or make references to past actions rendered or future ones promised or tasks and provisions from other long-gone documents; a trusted hound like Sir Francis could carry out secret missions independently, a far different relationship than just-as-trusted Raleigh! Imagine that in the far, far future! The warrant is so sparse because the secrets can't be spilled!

Some orders for the individual (like Raleigh and Newfoundland) may be of a more direct military nature. For an example of text including Elizabethan era orders, take a peek at for language. These are general orders (as well as covering taking in common woman and admonitions not to blaspheme. On that note, so might a RT warrant mention faith or lack thereof - spreading the Imperial Truth), but the Duke and Phillip were in correspondence about Sir Francis Drake and his activities against Spain and the summaries of the Spanish documents are insightful: .

So to sum up, to me, if we want to know what's in the warrant, we need to know more about the first in the line, Arthurus Leahas Isordan Drake, his nature, honor, and trustworthiness, and his relationship to his monarch, the Emperor of Mankind. What the Emperor saw Drake fit for will greatly influence the language, provisions, allowances granted (and perhaps who else was deemed proper witnesses!) in the warrant.

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Re: Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby Quicksilver » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:47 pm

It just occured to me to note that, unlike as was presented in one of the forum threads, the Drake Warrent of Trade is unlikely to be ammended due to the influance of the Ecclearchy and the Imperial Cult. The warrent is signed by the Emperor, and so to modify the warrent would be to indicate there was a situation which the Emperor did not forsee - something that would directly violate his infalubility as a god.

On the same note, as the powerful and obscure Psychic being he was, there might be clauses that the Emperor wrote in himself that made absolutly no sense at the time, because they refered to something for which the rest of humanity had not yet forseen.


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Re: Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby Renimar » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:34 am


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Re: Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:48 am

To be honest, prior to this conversation I had only a vague idea of who Drake the First was or what went into the warrant other than a couple of particulars that lend into the primary storyline. So really, I’m happy to make this a collaborative effort and just do my best to keep you from going into anything that might run against later plot lines.

Like I can tell you that pissing off the greater demon did not occur prior to gaining the warrant. I can also tell you the warrant was granted during the middle half of the great crusade; between 850.M30 and 950.M31 (meaning we’re coming up on the 11,000th anniversary of the Warrant). As I noted above, as well, ownership and captainship of the Aura Albion was granted with the Warrant (though may or may not have been written in)

Other than that, it’s fairly open – Does anyone have any awesome idea they’d like to have included into this?


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Re: Drake Dynasty Warrant of Trade

Postby KatOfCorellia » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:12 pm

"The bearer must campaign to prevent loyal imperials from slipping into worship of the Emperor or any god."

Possibly this is why Dominica is with them? After all, it's the Ecclesiarchy she hacked off, refusing to speak of the Emperor as God.


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